Caio Terra Vs. Steroids

Inside BJJ
It’s been awhile since we last talked and I want to speak with you specifically about the steroids issue. It’s something many people have talked about in private but nobody has really mentioned it in public.

Caio Terra
Nobody has said anything in public.

Inside BJJ
Not until you brought it up in your interview at the 2011 Pan-Ams. Why did you wait until that moment to bring the issue up?

Caio Terra
I’ve been competing hurt. I’m still hurt right now which is why I didn’t go to the Abu Dhabi Pro. I committed myself to competing in this year’s Pan-Ams Open Class and Abu Dhabi Pro but I ended up unable to compete in either. I’m hurt and I had the chance to do steroids to recover faster, but I chose to do the correct thing and not take drugs. Many of the top competitors use steroids to avoid injuries, recover faster, and train more.

I believe technique beats strength. That’s why I can win the open class. I wanted to mention this at Pan-Ams this year. The competitors using steroids are much stronger and recover faster than clean competitors. There are only a few at the highest level who don’t have to use steroids and can win using only technique.

One of the problems is that my students have to compete against steroid users and not all of my students win. Steroid users don’t get hurt as often. They train more often and harder. My students don’t use any steroids and it’s completely unfair that they have to compete against steroid users. If my students want to smoke or drink, it’s really not my business. I don’t do smoke or drink, but I know some of my students smoke and drink. Steroids are a completely different thing. Smoking and drinking is bad for the individual. Steroids affect everyone. It’s cheating.

I tell my students, “You know why you tapped and you’re tired? Because you smoke. That’s why you gas so quick! That’s why you can’t train as hard – you’re too busy drinking and partying!”

If a student doesn’t want to train hard, it’s their choice but I don’t want my competitors smoking weed, drinking, or using steroids. I’m not going to put anyone on my competition team whose uses steroids.

You can have a guy who is on steroids and is winning but that doesn’t give credit to his instructor. It gives credit to steroids. It doesn’t mean he has good technique. It means he’s stronger than the other guy because of steroids.

Inside BJJ
Have you had a chance to read Romero “Jacare” Cavalcanti’s response to your comments at Pan-Ams? He said Alliance warns students about steroid use. At the end of his response, he basically said you should stop complaining. What are you thoughts about his response? What other responses have you received positive or negative?

Caio Terra
Many competitors, who are not at the top level, have told me what I said was positive.

The top competitors asked me, “What do you want to do? Take Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu down? You’re going to end the top competitors.” They’re only saying this because most of them use steroids.

Inside BJJ
People feel like if you’re going to make accusations about competitors using steroids, you need proof.

Caio Terra
Many top competitors have told me they use steroids. I’m not talking about hearing secondhand information from friends. These guys told me with their own mouths. They told me they use steroids and asked me if I use. They talk about their cycles, what they take, and how much they take. Now, most of the guys who said they use steroids tell me they were just kidding and that they do not use. They would say things like, this is the tenth cycle I’ve taken, and now that they know I’m against it, they want to hide it. Everybody knows. I know who uses steroids and so do you. You may not want to point your finger at anybody but you do know. The International Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Federation (IBJJF) knows who uses, too. You can just look at them and know.

Inside BJJ
I know you can’t speak for the IBJJF, but have they spoken with you about steroids?

Caio Terra
Two days before the 2010 Worlds tournament, there was an IBJJF meeting and I said we should start testing for steroids. The black belts laughed. They said, “We just won’t compete anymore.” After the black belts left, the IBJFF approached me and said they are planning to test for steroids but they need to time to give the competitors a chance to clean up before they start official testing.

Inside BJJ
That sounds like testing just to say you test but not really trying to catch anybody.

Caio Terra
Exactly! That’s what IBJJF wants to do. I think they should test right now. That’s why I spoke up at Pan-Ams. The IBJFF said they would wait until this year to start testing. Now they say, we’re not going to test this year because we didn’t have enough time to plan. What? They told me something last year and now they’re not doing it, so I brought it up on the microphone.

If I would’ve have said what I did and lost, they would say I’m a bad loser. But I won! I’m just telling everyone like it is. I don’t want my children to compete in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu knowing that everyone will be using steroids.

Inside BJJ
Realistically, how do you start a testing program? It costs a lot of money to implement a real testing program.

Caio Terra
It depends on how much money the IBJJF wants to spend. For now, just test the winners. That’s more than enough to get started. If they only tested five winners, that would be progress. I want these people tested. I know the girls even take steroids. How can they do that? I’m not talking about one girl. I’m talking about many girls. That’s ridiculous!

Inside BJJ
There’s speculation about some female athletes. It’s tough to address these issues because the IBJJF is not paying any of the competitors. The competitors are paying the IBJJF to compete.

Caio Terra
Judo also does not pay anything and they test.

Inside BJJ
Do they test for steroids in Judo tournaments?

Caio Terra
Yes, the do in the major tournaments. They test for diuretics as well. I tell my students to stay away from diuretics as well. I’m a rooster weight but I still compete at light featherweight. Everyone at Pan-Ams weighed in together and they were each 141 pounds exactly. Nobody was under 141 pounds. Everyone was dieting hard. They all lose 15 pounds or more. I know people who lose close to 30 pounds to get down to light feather. That’s unbelievable. I don’t even know how those guys fight like that.

Inside BJJ
It’s hard to change dieting because most Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu tournaments weigh you right before your first match. There’s not much else they can do.

Caio Terra
My point is these guys are dieting a lot. I weighed in at 137.5 pounds with a 5 pound gi, shoes, and heavy sweater. I was still under 141 pounds. Without the gi, I was under 130 pounds.

Inside BJJ
In you interview with The Fightworks Podcast, you mentioned your opponents felt abnormally strong. If you’re competing against guys who are heavier than you already, is it not natural for them to be stronger than you as well?

Caio Terra
Here’s my answer. I train with guys who are 150 pounds and fight professionally in Strikeforce and the UFC. These guys are top athletes. I train with them and I feel their strength. I’m not saying I’m stronger than they are, but I don’t feel a tremendous difference between their strength and mine. However with the Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu competitors, they’re so much stronger than me, it’s impossible. You can’t have genetics like that. I really doubt it. They’re way too strong. I’m not saying, “Hey this guy is stronger than me so he must be on steroids.” No, I already assume my opponent is going to be stronger than me, but the strength these guys have is completely unnatural. It’s way beyond normal. It’s not twice my strength. It’s ten times my strength. They can grab me and keep the same grip the entire fight. Forever. I can mount the guy and he’ll keep the same grip.

Inside BJJ
If the IBJJF does not follow through with testing for steroids, what will you do? What if another year goes by and there’s still no progress?

Caio Terra
My plan is to give the IBJJF another year. If the IBJJF really doesn’t do anything, I’m going to move to MMA. I’m not going to stay in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu because if it’s going to be immature and irresponsible forever. I don’t want to be part of something that is not going to progress.

Inside BJJ
In MMA, there is steroid use as well. Even though there is testing, guys are still using.

Caio Terra
Yeah, but I’ll be paid to compete in MMA unlike the IBJJF tournaments.

Inside BJJ
I think that’s an issue people are hung up. Nobody is getting paid.

Caio Terra
Exactly! Nobody is getting paid and that’s why you should not take steroids. If you’re getting paid $500,000 to fight, I can understand if you take steroids. That’s a half million dollars. That’s a risk someone might take. If you’re not getting paid, you’re just hurting your body for nothing.

Inside BJJ
What happens if the IBJJF does test for steroids and the competitors leave and go to other organizations such as Abu Dhabi?

Caio Terra
Perfect! You know why? Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu will get more technical. Guys who use steroids won’t compete against technical fighters without steroids because they know they will lose. They can’t win without steroids.

Many students come to me and say, “Caio, I lost. It was because I had no conditioning. I lost because I was too weak. My opponent was stronger than me!”

I tell them you need to get better and they say, “I just have to do something about my strength. I need steroids.” Everyone is focused on getting stronger. No! You need to be more technical. That’s what Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu is about. It’s a martial art where the small man can beat a large man. It’s leverage. You tell me you have to get stronger? Why are you doing Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu? I thought Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu was the martial art where you could beat someone stronger.

Inside BJJ
I understand your argument, but I think in the tournament setting, the time limit makes other factors like strength, explosiveness, and conditioning more important. Some competitors are really strong and good at holding and stalling in a position until the time runs out. If there was no clock, the more technical fighter could probably last long enough to use their technique to win the match.

Caio Terra
Yeah, that’s true. I would love it if Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu had no time limit.

Inside BJJ
I would too. It could be hard to do at a large tournament like Pan-Ams.

Caio Terra
That would be impossible.

Inside BJJ
If it’s true that many of the top competitors are using steroids, do you think there’s going to be resistance to testing from the major schools who are profiting from their competitors winning. The schools are gaining notoriety by having their teams win.

Caio Terra
I’m a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu instructor. I know if my guys are using steroids. If they’re doing it, I’m going to kick them out of my gym.

Inside BJJ
People want you to give names. Can you give me names of steroid users?

Caio Terra

I know who they are and you know the are. Everyone knows who they are. They just want me to confirm it. Everyone knows.

Inside BJJ
What would you do if you caught a student, who is a good competitor, using steroids?

Caio Terra
He can’t be my student. I teach people Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu is a lifestyle. I teach people that technique can beat strength. Steroid users are doing the complete opposite. Why learn with me? They should learn with someone who uses steroids, too. I know if my students are using. I’ll see the difference. If someone from a big school like Alliance or Gracie Barra uses, the top instructor should know, too.

Inside BJJ
I know we only have a short time so I want to thank you for talking about the issue. Besides we end the interview, I’d like to ask you about your new school in San Jose, CA.

Caio Terra
The grand opening will be in May 2011. We’re in downtown San Jose. We’ll have a full program with Brazilian Jiu-JItsu, kickboxing, and MMA. The facility is over 7,000 square feet. We’ll have classes for adults and kids. You can get more information at www.caioterra.com

Inside BJJ
Is there anything else you’d like to mention.

Caio Terra
Yes, my new half guard DVD, 111 Half Guard Techniques, is out and everyone should check it out. Each technique is very detailed. If you really want to learn the techniques, it’s very important to only focus on one technique at a time. Drill the technique and visualize it. You can’t go through all the techniques at once. Even the techniques you think you know, you will learn something new. You can get it at www.caioterra.com.

 

OnTheMat interview with Caio Terra
Caio Terra on the Fightworks Podcast

2 Responses to “Caio Terra Vs. Steroids”

  1. Daddy Bob says:

    This dude is on a monkey paw steroid.They break your arm in 20 places and put monkey dna in your arm.It hurts hella bad but after 1 year of the worst pain you can ever have in your life it gives you the jits of a monkey.I can tell by how his face looks very monkey.Thats why he will not talk about steroids any more he is guilty.I seen him face to face and I told him (Daddy Bob)-Im on to your game dude I know what your trying to do and it aint going to work-(Terra)-Oh your an idiot you do not know shit-(Daddy Bob)Oh yea your telling every one this guy who beats me and that guy who beat me is on steroids because your the on monkey paw.(Terra)O my God how in the world do you know that.(Daddy bob)I know lots of things and do not look at the ground when Im talking to you or i will bury your ass in the cement.(terra)I know Nick and Nate will back me up and kick your ass.Thats when I showed him my rocket launcher and Told him Iv all ready beat both there asses at the same time.

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